From vikas at techqual.com Sat Dec 1 23:19:20 2012 From: vikas at techqual.com (vikas at techqual.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:49:20 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] KMail - Sending Failed Message-ID: <5149edd759ff6e7eb84286f8a0d3c76b.squirrel@mail4india.com> Hi, I am using SUSE Linux, 11.4 (for quite some time). I use KMail as my email programme (Since even longer time). I have Email Ids configured techqual.com - hosted on net4india servers and gmail.com. Since yesterday afternoon the outgoing mail on both smtp servers has stopped. The error message, for example, for net4india reads "Sending failed: smtpauth.net4india.com: Host unreachable The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' folder." For gmail, smtpauth.net4india.com is replaced by smtp.gmail.com. I had reported this problem to Net4India. Their response is that SMTP is working fine at their end. I use BSNL broadband (Again, since long). I have not changed any settings anywhere in the system. I have not installed any new programmes, nor any system upgrade in last couple of months. I am able to ping to smtpauth.net4india.com and smtp.gmail.com. I tried re-installing Kmail, but the problem persists. Any suggestions on what I can do to solve this issue? Thanks and regards Vikas Garud From shakthimaan at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 04:29:36 2012 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:59:36 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] [Event Report] OpenStack, December 1, 2012, Symbiosis (SICSR), Pune, India Message-ID: Hi, A workshop on OpenStack [1] was conducted on Saturday, December 1, 2012 at the Symbiosis Institute of Computer Studies and Research (SICSR) [2], Pune, India. Both theory and lab sessions were organized for the students. I started the proceedings using Perry Myers's presentation on "Introduction and Overview of OpenStack for IaaS (Infrastructure as a Service) Clouds" for the Essex release. The various building blocks of OpenStack with their functionality was explained. An overall big picture of the architecture was presented to them with illustrations. The OpenStack Lab Guide [3] was then given to the participants to setup their own OpenStack private cloud. Some of them had brought their own laptops, while others used the Fedora machines in the labs. We started by setting up the Keystone service, and adding users for authentication. The Glance service was then installed, and configured. A Fedora 17 and cirros image [4] were then imported into Glance. The Nova service was then setup, and a SSH keypair was created for testing. The Horizon dashboard user interface was used to start a virtual machine instance. Using ssh and the created keypair, we were able to login to the virtual machine and use it. curl was used to test the different REST API on the running stack. I also showed them simple Python examples to demonstrate the OpenStack APIs. As a final presentation for the day, I gave an introduction on libvirtd, and KVM. Thanks to Manoj Aswani for working with me in organizing this workshop. Thanks also to Perry Myers and Mark McLoughlin for permission to use their presentation. Few pictures taken during the workshop are available [5]. Regards, SK [1] OpenStack. http://www.openstack.org/ [2] Symbiosis Institute of Computer Studies and Research, Pune, India. http://sicsr.ac.in/ [3] OpenStack Essex Preview Lab Guide. http://fedorapeople.org/~russellb/openstack-lab-rhsummit-2012/ [4] Getting virtual machine images. http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/starting-images.html [5] Photos. http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/2012/openstack-symbiosis-2012/ -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From manjusha.joshi at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 21:51:12 2012 From: manjusha.joshi at gmail.com (Manjusha Joshi) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:21:12 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] [Confirmation] PLUG meeting for December 2012 is scheduled on Saturday 8th Dec. 5:00 pm @ SICSR Message-ID: Hi, PLUG meeting for month of December 2012 is scheduled on Saturday 8th Dec. 5:00 pm @ SICSR These are the details: Location: SICSR, Atur Centre, Model Colony, Pune Room No 704, 7th floor ( room no. may change ) (Please use other lift at canteen side) Time: 5:00 pm Tentative Agenda: 1. GNUnify-13, the big FOSS event jointly organized by PLUG and SICSR, for last 10 years. There will be discussion on Topics and Tracks in GNUnify. Discussion on creative ideas to make the event successful. The site will be updated time to time http://gnunify.in/ Dates: 15, 16, 17 Feb. 2013 Venue: SICSR, Pune 2. Open discussion and QA session. You can discuss about on going efforts at different places /levels for popularization of FOSS. Share your experience about it. You can discuss about conducting some program based on FOSS technology at your college/ place. You can share your experiences about new Distributions, hardware compatibility issues etc. If any one is interested in talking on FOSS related Technology for 15-20 mins. Please mail me off the list. All are welcome to attend the meeting. See you there. -- Manjusha From mayuresh at acm.org Fri Dec 7 21:14:39 2012 From: mayuresh at acm.org (Mayuresh) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 10:44:39 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Richard Stallman on Ubuntu's online search feature Message-ID: <20121208051439.GA6211@SDF.ORG> http://www.muktware.com/4942/richard-m-stallman-joins-eff-calls-ubuntu-spyware Concerns are valid. At least the user should be made aware of it. On similar lines, I am worried more about my Android phone on security front. I, as yet, refrain from entering any passwords of much relevance to me on android - even if they are not cached on the phone. It is unclear, why throughout the day my phone's data upload-download arrows (icons indicating internet usage) keep blinking... I'll need to make all traffic go through a proxy and check what's up. I don't as yet have the same confidence that I have developed over years in open source software with downloaded apps on android. Mayuresh From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Sat Dec 8 18:26:12 2012 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 07:56:12 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Richard Stallman on Ubuntu's online search feature In-Reply-To: <20121208051439.GA6211@SDF.ORG> References: <20121208051439.GA6211@SDF.ORG> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Mayuresh wrote: > It is unclear, why throughout the day my phone's data upload-download > arrows (icons indicating internet usage) keep blinking... On some of the more recent releases of Android you can check which of the applications are sync-ing data in the background. And, configure them as well. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From mayuresh at acm.org Sat Dec 8 20:10:35 2012 From: mayuresh at acm.org (Mayuresh) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 09:40:35 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Richard Stallman on Ubuntu's online search feature In-Reply-To: References: <20121208051439.GA6211@SDF.ORG> Message-ID: <20121209041035.GA15251@SDF.ORG> On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 07:56:12AM +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Mayuresh wrote: > > It is unclear, why throughout the day my phone's data upload-download > > arrows (icons indicating internet usage) keep blinking... > > On some of the more recent releases of Android you can check which of > the applications are sync-ing data in the background. And, configure > them as well. I do not know whether it's recent android, but at least the phone is recently purchased, so it might be. Where to look for such facility? Mayuresh. From sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com Sat Dec 8 20:55:21 2012 From: sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:25:21 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Richard Stallman on Ubuntu's online search feature In-Reply-To: <20121209041035.GA15251@SDF.ORG> References: <20121208051439.GA6211@SDF.ORG> <20121209041035.GA15251@SDF.ORG> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Mayuresh wrote: > I do not know whether it's recent android, but at least the phone is > recently purchased, so it might be. Where to look for such facility? Settings -> Data Usage should lead you to two tabs - Mobile and Wifi. There are applications listed below each tab along with a net usage graph -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From mehul.n.ved at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 02:59:34 2012 From: mehul.n.ved at gmail.com (Mehul Ved) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:29:34 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] KMail - Sending Failed In-Reply-To: <5149edd759ff6e7eb84286f8a0d3c76b.squirrel@mail4india.com> References: <5149edd759ff6e7eb84286f8a0d3c76b.squirrel@mail4india.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:49 PM, wrote: > I am able to ping to smtpauth.net4india.com and smtp.gmail.com. >From the email I didn't understand what your setup look. And, telnet/netcat are better tools to troubleshoot this than ping. Here's how to http://www.anta.net/misc/telnet-troubleshooting/smtp.shtml -- With Regards, Mehul Ved From harshad.lists at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 22:56:01 2012 From: harshad.lists at gmail.com (Harshad) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:26:01 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Java Code Contest @IndicThreads Message-ID: Do take a look at the Java Contest (11-13 Dec) http://pune12.indicthreads.com/java-programr-contest/ at the 7th Annual IndicThreads Pune Conference http://pune12.indicthreads.com Contest entry is free & open to all. Thanks, Harshad From pravi.a at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 22:56:20 2012 From: pravi.a at gmail.com (Praveen A) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 12:26:20 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: Ubuntu have done it again, In-Reply-To: <1354921750.363.322.camel@hp.my.own.domain> References: <1354921750.363.322.camel@hp.my.own.domain> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Svante Signell Date: 2012/12/8 Subject: Ubuntu have done it again, To: Debian devel this time installing surveillance code. http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/12/07/1527225/rms-speaks-out-against-ubuntu http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do Any reason Debian should be so closely linked to Ubuntu? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-REQUEST at lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster at lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1354921750.363.322.camel at hp.my.own.domain -- ???????? ??????????????????? You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as they follow the rules: laws and constitution. From sudhanwa.com at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 03:26:43 2012 From: sudhanwa.com at gmail.com (Sudhanwa Jogalekar) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:56:43 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Fwd: Ubuntu have done it again, In-Reply-To: References: <1354921750.363.322.camel@hp.my.own.domain> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Praveen A wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Svante Signell > Date: 2012/12/8 > Subject: Ubuntu have done it again, > To: Debian devel Ubuntu have done it "again" Again? What are the previous instances? -Sudhanwa -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. From sudhanwa.com at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 03:33:03 2012 From: sudhanwa.com at gmail.com (Sudhanwa Jogalekar) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:03:03 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] [ilugd] Shocking and Sad news. In-Reply-To: <50C8DB54.7090305@linkaxis.com> References: <50C8DB54.7090305@linkaxis.com> Message-ID: FYI This is really really sad. We lost a great FOSS evangelist and a good friend. -Sudhanwa ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kishore Bhargava Date: Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:00 AM Subject: [ilugd] Shocking and Sad news. To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list 12-12-12. What a very very sad day. We lost a very dear friend, Raj Mathur. People who knew and have met Raj will always remember him as a lively and humourous person - brutally honest and a man of principles. Raj was a founder member of the Indian Linux Users Group and a very active member of the Free and Open Source community. Well respected and extremely knowledgable, he was often sought after for advice which he readily dispersed. Raj loved to have fun and encouraged everyone around him to do the same. He loved his food, his movies, his music and being with friends and family. A brilliant hacker and much respected for his pioneering work, he will be missed by one and all. Rest in peace, Raj "Oldmonk" Mathur. -- _______________________________________________ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd at lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. From rajeshkajha at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 04:04:15 2012 From: rajeshkajha at yahoo.com (Rajesh Ranjan) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:04:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] FUEL Newsletter CY2012Q3 Message-ID: <1355400255.13011.YahooMailNeo@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi, Here is the Newsletter for CY2012 Q3's newsletter: https://fedorahosted.org/fuel/raw-attachment/wiki/NewsLetters/FUEL_Newsletter_Year2012_Sep.html You can see past newsletters here: https://fedorahosted.org/fuel/wiki/NewsLetters-- Regards, Rajesh Ranjan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y7jxuhw_VM Adopt FUEL: Avoid Rocks, Stones & Bumps! From amitkarpe at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 01:07:04 2012 From: amitkarpe at gmail.com (Amit Karpe) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:07:04 +0800 Subject: [PLUG] [ilugd] Shocking and Sad news. In-Reply-To: References: <50C8DB54.7090305@linkaxis.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote: > FYI > > This is really really sad. We lost a great FOSS evangelist and a good > friend. > -Sudhanwa > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Kishore Bhargava > Date: Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:00 AM > Subject: [ilugd] Shocking and Sad news. > To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list > > > 12-12-12. What a very very sad day. We lost a very dear friend, Raj Mathur. > > People who knew and have met Raj will always remember him as a lively > and humourous person - brutally honest and a man of principles. > > Raj was a founder member of the Indian Linux Users Group and a very > active member of the Free and Open Source community. Well respected > and extremely knowledgable, he was often sought after for advice which > he readily dispersed. > > Raj loved to have fun and encouraged everyone around him to do the > same. He loved his food, his movies, his music and being with friends > and family. > > A brilliant hacker and much respected for his pioneering work, he will > be missed by one and all. > > Rest in peace, Raj "Oldmonk" Mathur. > -- > > > Its really Shocking ! RIP Raj Mathur. I had meet him two three time in Delhi. He was really humorous person and a foody. It is loss for FOSS community. It was pleurae to read his mails on ilugd. -- Regards Amit Karpe. http://www.amitkarpe.com/ http://news.karpe.net.in/ From ghodechhap at ghodechhap.net Thu Dec 13 08:55:26 2012 From: ghodechhap at ghodechhap.net (Shridhar Daithankar) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:25:26 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] [ilugd] Shocking and Sad news. In-Reply-To: References: <50C8DB54.7090305@linkaxis.com> Message-ID: <4842300.AmvhQNQxZS@bheem> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 05:03:03 PM Sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote: > FYI > > This is really really sad. We lost a great FOSS evangelist and a good > friend. -Sudhanwa Oh.. I remember him from LIG/LIG/LIP days a decade or so ago.. RIP Raj.. -- Regards Shridhar From prazzb at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 05:56:09 2012 From: prazzb at gmail.com (Prasanna Balan) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:26:09 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Richard Stallman on Ubuntu's online search feature In-Reply-To: <20121208051439.GA6211@SDF.ORG> References: <20121208051439.GA6211@SDF.ORG> Message-ID: <20121213135609.GA17271@desktop> On 12/08, Mayuresh wrote: > http://www.muktware.com/4942/richard-m-stallman-joins-eff-calls-ubuntu-spyware > > Concerns are valid. At least the user should be made aware of it. > > > On similar lines, I am worried more about my Android phone on security > front. I, as yet, refrain from entering any passwords of much relevance to > me on android - even if they are not cached on the phone. > > It is unclear, why throughout the day my phone's data upload-download > arrows (icons indicating internet usage) keep blinking... > > I'll need to make all traffic go through a proxy and check what's up. > > I don't as yet have the same confidence that I have developed over years > in open source software with downloaded apps on android. > > Mayuresh On rooted phones, there's an app called DroidWall that you can use to block a specific app from connecting to net. CyanogenMod had this feature until 7.2 (Gingerbread) where you could disable any specific permission of an app but they removed it then. It might be the sudden increase in the number of users. The latest google search update asked me for a permission to take pictures and videos. The permissions page says that it can do so at any instant without my permission. So, no search update...haha The best option is a proxy or an app like droidwall. -- prazzb GPG key 0xDB63309D From sgr.m.pdy at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 00:50:06 2012 From: sgr.m.pdy at gmail.com (Sagar Padhye) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:20:06 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Help in compilation of a usable linux os Message-ID: Hi, I have been trying to compile my own linux. Guide which I am following is Linux from scratch - http://www.linuxfromscratch.org (with some of my own little changes). This is just for educational purpose of understanding internals of the OS. I am successful in compiling basic linux system i.e. bash command line with vi, gcc and no internet (I have to figure out how to get IP from my ISP, currently I have static IP in ifconfig.eth0). I am going ahead with BLFS exercise and it is taking too much of time to install more things like security packages, GTK and lots. Ultimately my aim is to have any GUI (possibly gnome as I am used to it) with internet working on it as early as possible. I would like to know if anybody has done this before ? I need some king of roadmap, which can help to decide the order of packages to be installed to get my GUI up an working. Thanks and Regards, Sagar Padhye From betasam at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 15:51:25 2012 From: betasam at gmail.com (Sunil Beta Baskar) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:21:25 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] [info][form] GNU/Linux/kernel presentations - Interested? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 26 November 2012 18:02, Prashant Shah wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:34 AM, Sunil Beta Baskar wrote: >> A lot of people evinced interest, so I'd like to know who'd really want to >> attend. The first would be first-week December 2012. >> > > LinuxForU carries a lot of articles on kernel development and various > other FOSS development topics. I recommend those who want to do kernel > development subscribe to it. > > They even openly publish lot of articles on kernel development on their website. > Confirming the venue: Center for Modeling and Simulation, Pune University Confirming the time: 1100hrs - 1300hrs Confirming the first date: 22-Dec-2012 The Registration form remains open for students of CS, Electronics and CMS from Pune University to Join in. Thanks Shyam for the help. https://bit.ly/TaubkR is the link for a google form meant to ease people enrolling. The form is for logistics, just to make sure I can find the appropriate venue, time-slot, day-of-week (which you get to choose.) The form is hosted on google/docs, when you find time just fill in. I have gotten my presentation/walk-through ready. The sessions planned insofar are: 1. Building "linux" (multiple kernels) - what better a time than when kbuild 2.7.0 is also released for usage with other projects! Thanks to Yann Morin. 2. An Introduction to Kernel Architecture and Device Driver Model 3. Let's build a Device Driver [Workshop] 4. The "linux" kernel boot-up and the scheduler core 5. Memory Management in "linux" 6. Debugging and Profiling "linux" I do need help, volunteers and people who understand the kernel in a different perspective than mine. (You can volunteer on the form.) The above outline is listed in the form too. You'll need to choose when you'd prefer to have it and where you find it convenient. If you have suggestions for the form, please send an email to me at betasam [at] gmail -- Cheers and Regards, Beta From shahidfarooqui at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 10:01:39 2012 From: shahidfarooqui at gmail.com (Shahid Farooqui) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:31:39 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Open Laptop Design Message-ID: Hi Folks ... Here is "Open Laptop Design".. start making your own laptop -:) http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2686 http://bunniefoo.com/novena/novena_depop_clean_labels.jpg Thanks & Regards Shahid From rajeshkajha at yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 00:41:15 2012 From: rajeshkajha at yahoo.com (Rajesh Ranjan) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 00:41:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [PLUG] fuel-web beta review meet Message-ID: <1355906475.11107.YahooMailNeo@web162006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi, FUEL project have three modules. One of them is fuel-web. It is still beta. We got good suggestions from Chandrakant of C-DAC gist. Initially the module was prepared by I. Felix. To complete review of fuel-web beta and make this available for translation, We plan to meet on 26th Dec 2012. Details are as follows: Date: 26th Dec 2012 Time: 2:30PM IST to 5:00PM IST Vanue: Red Hat Software Services (India) Pune. IRC: #fuel-discuss at freenode Ref: https://fedorahosted.org/fuel/wiki/fuel-terminology/fuel-web#FUELWebBetaReviewMeet You are invited. Please contact us to participate and help us to improve the module and release it as final. regards, -------------- Rajesh Ranjan From betasam at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 03:26:29 2012 From: betasam at gmail.com (Sunil Beta Baskar) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:56:29 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] [info][form] GNU/Linux/kernel presentations - Interested? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 20 November 2012 05:34, Sunil Beta Baskar wrote: > I have earlier suggested a series of presentations on building the GNU/Linux > kernel and going forward to understand it. > > A lot of people evinced interest, so I'd like to know who'd really want to > attend. The first would be first-week December 2012. > > https://bit.ly/TaubkR > is the link for a google form meant to ease people enrolling. > The form is for logistics, just to make sure I can find the appropriate > venue, time-slot, day-of-week (which you get to choose.) The form is hosted > on google/docs, when you find time just fill in. I'll close this form on > 27-Nov-2012 (a week from now, just to make it easier to work out logistics.) > I'm sure that's plenty of time. > > I have gotten my presentation/walk-through ready. > > The sessions planned insofar are: > 1. Building "linux" (multiple kernels) > 2. An Introduction to Kernel Architecture and Device Driver Model > 3. Let's build a Device Driver [Workshop] > 4. The "linux" kernel boot-up and the scheduler core > 5. Memory Management in "linux" > 6. Debugging and Profiling "linux" > > I do need help, volunteers and people who understand the kernel in a > different perspective than mine. (You can volunteer on the form.) The above > outline is listed in the form too. > > You'll need to choose when you'd prefer to have it and where you find it > convenient. If you have suggestions for the form, please send an email to me > at betasam [at] gmail -- > > Cheers and Regards, > Beta /* Build your GNU/Linux Kernel */ The first of this workshop is happening on Saturday, 22-Dec-2012 The Time allotted is 1100-1300hrs The Venue is Center for Modeling & Simulation (CMS) Pune University Campus Please bring Laptops and Extension cord as far as planned. If you are bringing in those who are not registered, buy are interested, you're welcome mail betasam @ gmail period com for quick information. Thanks and Regards, Sunil Beta Baskar From akshay2009ark at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 01:49:01 2012 From: akshay2009ark at gmail.com (akshay khole) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 15:19:01 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] [info][form] GNU/Linux/kernel presentations - Interested? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, My friend, Karim forgot this laptop charger at the venue. It is an Acer laptop charger. HIPRO is the name of the brand of that charger. If anybody finds it, please secure it. Karim is on his way to the venue. Thanks, Akshay From darth.chatri at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 03:05:24 2012 From: darth.chatri at gmail.com (Darth Chatri) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:35:24 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] [info][form] GNU/Linux/kernel presentations - Interested? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 22 December 2012 15:19, akshay khole wrote: > Hi, > > My friend, Karim forgot this laptop charger at the venue. It is an > Acer laptop charger. > > HIPRO is the name of the brand of that charger. If anybody finds it, please > secure it. Karim is on his way to the venue. > This mail reached pretty late, so he might have already found the adapter. In case he did not, it has been found and kept safely. -d From betasam at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 02:33:20 2012 From: betasam at gmail.com (Sunil Beta Baskar) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:03:20 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] [info][form] GNU/Linux/kernel presentations - Interested? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who made it to the presentation. It was nice of everyone to have found the time amidst your busy schedules to join together. This was a very nice session. We managed to figure one more bug in the Kbuild system (that's one more opportunity to fix it for everyone.) Please find the slides here: http://portal.sliderocket.com/CUMRK/FCE5AFED-9CC3-4FFA-8A9D-FA39E5CAA5A8 View the presentation online or download it in whichever format you require. We've decided to look at the 3.2.x series of Kernels for our future examination of the internals. Thanks and Regards, Sunil Beta Baskar From joshi.ph2007 at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 07:37:13 2012 From: joshi.ph2007 at gmail.com (Prashant Joshi) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:07:13 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Expert talk required for Linux System Administration Message-ID: sir , i wld like to arrange workshopon introduction to linux and its administration. Please let me know any expert for the same............. From -- *Mr. Prashant Joshi **Assistant Professor Department of Computer Engineering G.H.Raisoni Institute of Engineering & Technology,Wagholi Pune* *http:\\www.raisoni.net\ email : prashant.joshi at raisoni.net * From indlinux at gmail.com Thu Dec 27 12:18:47 2012 From: indlinux at gmail.com (G Karunakar) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 01:48:47 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] slow/delayed delivery on plug list Message-ID: Hi, Seems to be some issue with mails not going through to list or slow/delayed delivery. Karunakar Sent at 28 Dec 01:50 From betasam at gmail.com Thu Dec 27 16:56:18 2012 From: betasam at gmail.com (Sunil Beta Baskar) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 06:26:18 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Mailing List / Issues yet to be sorted out Message-ID: I was replying to a post on the GNU/Linux presentations. I had removed all text from the mail thread and posted it - this is not top-posting as there was no signature. --< snip >-- Your request to the plug-mail mailing list Posting of your message titled "Re: [PLUG] [info][form] GNU/Linux/kernel presentations - Interested?" has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request: "Top posting is discouraged. Please repost without top post. You may reply to the OP only for sepcific details, which may not be related to the public mailing list." Any questions or comments should be directed to the list administrator at: plug-mail-owner at plug.org.in --< snip >-- This is the last shred of patience before which I end up creating another mailing list and see the spam levels. It is so disheartening to see messages dropped. I am quite sure this message is not going to make it because of some rules on the number of recipients in the "to" field. I am definitely going to find another forum or create one for convenience sake as it has been __SO__DIFFICULT__ to change the moderator's rules here. :( Sunil Beta Baskar From mandarvaze at gmail.com Fri Dec 28 22:09:51 2012 From: mandarvaze at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?TWFuZGFyIFZhemUgLyDgpK7gpILgpKbgpL7gpLAg4KS14KSd4KWH?=) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:39:51 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Mailing List / Issues yet to be sorted out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > I am quite sure this message is not going to make it because of some rules on the number of recipients in the "to" field. > But it did. May be the trick is to add people to CC ;) I am definitely going to find another forum or create one for > May be "mailing list" is old school. Time to try FB groups, G+ communities, LinkedIn communities/Group (Just suggestion) > convenience sake as it has been __SO__DIFFICULT__ to change > the moderator's rules here. > I think it might be possible to change (Hoping) __IF__ we can reach a human, or let admins respond. I am not sure people in CC are admins anymore. Does anyone know who checks the emails sent to the moderators/admins ? -Mandar From o.s.h.o at guruvision.com Sun Dec 30 21:39:15 2012 From: o.s.h.o at guruvision.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KSu4KSD4KS44KS+4KSX4KSw4KSD?=) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:09:15 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Mailing List / Issues yet to be sorted out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Mandar Vaze / ????? ??? wrote: >> >> I am quite sure this message is not going to make it because of some > > rules on the number of recipients in the "to" field. >> > > But it did. May be the trick is to add people to CC ;) > > I am definitely going to find another forum or create one for >> > > May be "mailing list" is old school. Time to try FB groups, G+ communities, > LinkedIn communities/Group (Just suggestion) > > >> convenience sake as it has been __SO__DIFFICULT__ to change >> the moderator's rules here. >> > > I think it might be possible to change (Hoping) __IF__ we can reach a > human, or let admins respond. I am not sure people in CC are admins > anymore. Does anyone know who checks the emails sent to the > moderators/admins ? > > -Mandar The first thing you have to learn from being on ***PuneList*** is that... 1. For Sure, *__i__* do ***not*** check the mails sent to moderators/admins... and that counts more than anything else...!!! -- ?. Stupid question always warrants a stupid answer! ?. Why question the answer, unless question itself is the answer ? ?. No question is ever stupid! From sudhanwa.com at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 09:38:01 2012 From: sudhanwa.com at gmail.com (Sudhanwa Jogalekar) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:08:01 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Mailing list issues Message-ID: Hi, Some Pluggies are having some issues with the mailing list and are raising those issues on the list. I have been on the mailing list almost from the beginning and seen all the transitions of the same. Here are some points that I remember/know and will be useful for all to understand how things work on the mailing list. Right from the beginning, the identities of people handling the webmaster and mailing list administration/moderation function was not disclosed. This was not a hard and fast rule as such, but was accepted by all. This was kept to avoid any possible connection between a person and the function. As far as I know, this is taken very seriously till date and identities of people are not disclosed. At the same time, all the people handling the function are completely unbiased while executing their role. No personal opinion is/was added by them anytime. Please be assured of that. eg. If a mail-admin's close friend has sent a mail and is stuck up in filters/moderation, it will be taken care of in due course of time just like all other mails and it will be released/rejected on the merit of the content and not because the poster is a good friend. Initially, the mailing list was running on a live server from our well-wishers/supporters namely Codito (that was the last name of the company when we migrated away from their server). As the bandwidth was costly and the server was exposed much due to the mailing list, to be more secure and avoid bandwidth misuse, filters were added to the mailing list. These were essentially to protect from spam and to channelise proper content on the list. Over the years, the filters grew as more and more people started spamming and sending silly/irrelevant queries on the list. After the last server crash, we lost all the archives and then migrated to a virtual hosting that we are currently using. The mailing list was setup again, whatever the filter rules were known, those were added and things started moving slowly. This was another time for spams and many mails usually floated like invites from social networks, Chinese vendors offering goods, lottery winnings etc etc. Due to this, more and more filters got added to the list. As more newbies got added, it became pain to see all their violations like top postings and irrelevant queries. So, moderation bit was added by default for every new list member. In any case, new members were supposed to be on the list for some time, understand what is happening and then start posting to the list. The typical time frame for this was about a month or so. After that, the new member was supposed to send mail to admins to remove the moderation for them. Well, as usual, very few people really understood this and became unhappy about it. Unfortunately, the unhappy trend still continues. There is a lot of discussion happening about moderation. People do see moderation in their own perspectives. On the PLUG mailing list, it is a practice that the mail will either reach to the list as_it_is (that means without any moderation/editing) or else, if it gets stuck due to filters, it will be seen by moderators and will be passed through or rejected/discarded depending on the context of the mail content) Some people feel that the mail getting stuck because of filters itself means moderation. We lost our dear friend (Late) Keneth Gonsalves because of this from the list as he believed in complete openness of the list. So, it is your choice to say the list is moderated or not moderated. For sure, whatever the poster says will go untouched to the list (if it passes through filters/rules set up) There are cases when people are subscribed to the list using one particular id and post to the list using some other id. Obviously, the mail will get stuck up as it is sent from a non-member. It then gets rejected and the person feels "insulted" and sends mail back to me and/or mods/admins demanding some explanation. Sorry to say that very few people do read the message sent by the mailman when their mail is stuck up and also when they are sent a response during rejection. My own mails get stuck up many times (especially the forwarded ones. Latest example was of forwarded mail from ilugD about Raj Mathur). However, I do not take this personally and move on to my other work. Let the moderator take its own time to clear the mail or reject it. If at all, there is something real urgent and the mail needs to be sent NOW, I do use my privilege of having the moderator rights and clear it from the filter queue. But it is really a rare case. I don't understand why the posters are so touchy about their mails being stuck up and waiting for release. I don think there is any mailing list that is without any filters setup. If you are on some other lists and do not see any invite message from any social networking sites or some spam from some Russian or Chinese email ids, be assured that there are filters on the list. (You may call it moderated or un-moderated, it is your choice) This is true even after having proper spam filters that filter out most of the spam mails like selling drugs, winning lotteries and so on. Apart from a very few people on the list who are raising questions about the mailing list, I have not come across anyone who is raising the issue. Well, it is upto the mailing list members to decide how the list should work. If majority feels that it should be more open, let it be. If all the filters and moderation bits are removed and the list becomes completely open, I will be the happiest person as I will not have to take any blames/bashing from anyone for things that I never did, and/or was nowhere related to the activities. I have been facing that blaming/bashing for more than 10 years now so as to keep the integrity, confidentiality of the things. Wishing you all a Very Happy New Year. Regards -Sudhanwa -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. From amarendra.godbole at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 15:03:51 2012 From: amarendra.godbole at gmail.com (ag@gmail) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:03:51 -0800 Subject: [PLUG] Mailing list issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05EC9472-7284-452B-86E2-DB6DD6A097A1@gmail.com> A locked down list is next to useless, and that is what plug is for me now. Probably one reason why plug meets never garner more support. No question is stupid and when someone moves over to Linux, he/she has many many questions. If plug is not designed to answer newbie questions, there is no charter that says so. Keeping secret the id of mods is the most stupid thing I have heard, besides Linux! ;-) It is never too late to make changes, if necessary. It would take less time to make changes than write a history of how things came to be. -ag From mandarvaze at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 22:01:54 2012 From: mandarvaze at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?TWFuZGFyIFZhemUgLyDgpK7gpILgpKbgpL7gpLAg4KS14KSd4KWH?=) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 11:31:54 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Mailing list issues In-Reply-To: <05EC9472-7284-452B-86E2-DB6DD6A097A1@gmail.com> References: <05EC9472-7284-452B-86E2-DB6DD6A097A1@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 4:33 AM, ag at gmail wrote: > A locked down list is next to useless, and that is what plug is for me > now. > As they say "The only computer that is truly secure from virus/network attacks is the one that is powered down" :) -Mandar From ghanekar.kaustubh at gmail.com Sun Dec 30 07:22:48 2012 From: ghanekar.kaustubh at gmail.com (Kaustubh Ghanekar) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:52:48 +0530 Subject: [PLUG] Mailing List / Issues yet to be sorted out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For Google Plus, Facebook or LinkedIn groups/communities, users will get bound to have an account to the respective services. With mailing lists, they can use any email client they want. Still, we can go for a Google Plus community. Its the latest and a good way to share posts (I personally think so). On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Mandar Vaze / ????? ??? < mandarvaze at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I am quite sure this message is not going to make it because of some > > rules on the number of recipients in the "to" field. > > > > But it did. May be the trick is to add people to CC ;) > > I am definitely going to find another forum or create one for > > > > May be "mailing list" is old school. Time to try FB groups, G+ communities, > LinkedIn communities/Group (Just suggestion) > > > > convenience sake as it has been __SO__DIFFICULT__ to change > > the moderator's rules here. > > > > I think it might be possible to change (Hoping) __IF__ we can reach a > human, or let admins respond. I am not sure people in CC are admins > anymore. Does anyone know who checks the emails sent to the > moderators/admins ? > > -Mandar > _______________________________________ > Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List > -- No trees were harmed in creating this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Kaustubh Ghanekar